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Published on April 11, 2008 By erathoniel In Religion

    Now, everyone should know, before reading this, that I am against two things with a vengeance. Abortion, and embryonic stem cell research are major evils in today's society.

    Embryonic stem cell research and abortion are similar, yet different. Abortion involves chopping up a baby at some point in its developmental state. Embryonic stem cell research involves removing parts of a baby at some part of its development (before it even forms). Either kill the babies.

    Now, I could rant on about exactly why they are wrong. But I'll tell you this much. It involves taking of innocent life for convenience. Now you could say that embryonic stem cell research has great benefits. It involves taking an unborn life and putting it to help an old, near failing life. There is something wrong when we kill our children for the sake of ourselves.

    Embryonic stem cell research is not only wrong, but entirely unnecessary. You can ask me: "But, why is it wrong? It helps our future." And I will respond with one link.

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on Apr 12, 2008

Did you actually read the whole article?  

The last line reads, "People want to rush and say we don't need embryonic stem cells anymore, and over time that might be true, but right now that's premature."

Somehow the concluding fact doesn't seem to match up with your article....

on Apr 12, 2008

Why put so much life into something that could eventually be ineffecient, if you take that worldview?

Basically why continue wasting life until we can ascertain whether or not the adult skin cells are as good as the embryonic cells?

on Apr 12, 2008

Abortion, and embryonic stem cell research are major evils in today's society. 

 It involves taking an unborn life

I am in total agreement. 

You and I and every one who reads this started out their life as an embryo. It was the beginning stage of our life...and it is just as worhty of dignity as you or I or the person reading this.

Embryonic stem cell research is immoral and unethical. One can never do evil, even if good might come from it.

That fact is unimportant to those who go by principle that the ends justify the means...

 

 

 

on Apr 12, 2008

Why not have a fair article?  For example, instinctively, when someone reads, taking baby parts, they think hmm I see an arm or a leg.  Do you really believe it is an arm and a leg?  If isn't then what is involved in the process, in actuality, not some regurgitated pamphlet dialogue.  When you say "It involves taking an unborn life and putting it to help an old, near failing life.".  Does it really, or does it potentially help a young or old or mid life person or ANYONE?  Ironically, and irrevocably, I agree with you.  If stem cells need not be harvested from an embryo but gathered, from other sources, then it would not possibly destroy any ethical boundaries we may not want to get past.  With that said, have a little less bias.  Is it that hard?

on Apr 13, 2008

Go see BodyWorlds.

My goal in blogging is not to present facts, but opinions. And if my opinions are facts, then they are. I am not forcing you to accept them.

on Apr 13, 2008

So it is hard then.  Because your aren't delineating facts.  I don't need to see any documentary's.  I'm in med school and I undertand what is involved in abortions.  That is why I feel you are pushing your agenda and dressing it up as fact.  I actually think we should not destroy embryos for the ethical consequences, but when I explain to people my viewpoint, I don't say baby parts and only old people benefit.  It would be doing them a disservice.  You could not force me to accept your view point, nor could I force you to speak the truth fairly.  and the world turns and turns.

on Apr 13, 2008

If I wanted to force people to see only my viewpoint, I would be able to click a button and delete any comments on any of my articles. I enjoy debate, and I feel that the truth can only be brought by a neutral side or multiple opposing sides. I pitch my side, others can pitch theirs.

Think of how many brilliant scientists and atheletes and politicians abortioins, stem cell research, and more have killed. I cannot accept even giving a slight advantage to any of these things.

on Apr 13, 2008
The truth is:

All of the advances proposed from embryonic stem cell research are either hypothetical at this point or can be obtained from other stem cells. Embryonic stem cell research does hold some promise, but since the promise is at least equalled by other means, it seems to me rather pointless.
on Apr 13, 2008

erathoniel
If I wanted to force people to see only my viewpoint, I would be able to click a button and delete any comments on any of my articles. I enjoy debate, and I feel that the truth can only be brought by a neutral side or multiple opposing sides. I pitch my side, others can pitch theirs.Think of how many brilliant scientists and atheletes and politicians abortioins, stem cell research, and more have killed. I cannot accept even giving a slight advantage to any of these things.

You're doing it again.  You're regurgitating talking points.  Recycled rhetoric.  Umm umm think of how many presidents have been killed.  Look no one knows what has happened.  What we do know is that it is ethically a heavy situation.  There is no sense it marginalizing the ethical rammifications by literally dummying it down to nothing more than dogmatic devised denunciations that literally do not help the situation.  It's not black and white.  Yes it is tough to destroy the potentiality of life, but it doesn't end there, because we might be able to cure previously incurable ailments.  Should we just attack it, no, we should approach it with responsibility and talk about it explicitly and not tag it with barbaric images.  It's not tearing baby arms from the torso OK.  It's cultivating cells.  That's what it  is.  We play God when we play with life like that.  It's a tough sell.  But again, foggying up the situation with RHETORIC is not dignifying anything, and furthermore actually hurts all causes.  IN a perfect world...

on Apr 13, 2008

Those ultra-simple truths are still truths.

on Apr 14, 2008

PSYCHX posts:  

Why not have a fair article? ..... have a little less bias.

What exactly is unfair about the article? Or biased?

Because your aren't delineating facts.

From what I can tell, Erathoniel told the truth about embryonic stem cell research and abortion...

We have all seen the ultrasound pictures of a fetus developing in the womb. The fetus is an unborn child. Everyone, even a little child knows that. Ask a child what is inside the protruding belly of a pregnant woman and he'll say it's a baby. It's much more than  "just a blob of tissue"  as the pro-abortion advocates say.

I'm in med school and I undertand what is involved in abortions.

Then you know that what takes place while the child is still inside the womb during the barbaric abortion procedure is a bloody mess....the baby is killed by saline scalding, surgically dismembered, pulled out and vaccummed up like surgical debris. During a late term abortion called partial birth abortion, the baby is pulled out with just his head inches in the womb and the abortionist inserts his insturment into the baby's skull.

If it's clear that deliberately killing a baby ouside the womb is an abomination, then it stands to reason and common sense, it is also an abomination to kill a baby a few days, or weeks or months earlier in its stage of life, including its embroynic stage.

You say the ethical part is "heavy",  but seem very uncomfortable with the moral issue of what it means to take a life.

Life is life in all it's stages...you started out as an embryonic stem cell and your mom let you come to term...why would you deny that to the next fellow human being?

 

 

 

on Apr 14, 2008

I thought partial birth abortion was illegal. It is where I live.

on Apr 14, 2008
I thought partial birth abortion was illegal. It is where I live.


Yes, some states have banned this horrific procedure....but...if you check into it, I'm quite certain you'll find that Planned Parenthood, NOW, Naral and others sued immediately afterward and while that is being taken up in court, the taking of innocent life continues in abortuaries. Abortion on demand, for anyone, at anytime through the day of delivery, for any reason.




on Apr 14, 2008

Yeah, one thing is the any reason policy. I have a problem with any form of abortion, but if it actively promotes a do anything you want culture, it is even worse. It's bad in any case, but if it allows casual fornification with no penalties, it is beyond bad.

on Apr 15, 2008
Abortion is evil. Any country that legitimizes killing its own progeny is doomed.
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