I like this point of view.

~Zoo

You will have to explain that in more detail.

 

It's not a theory, it's simply a statement. I propose the following statement, much simpler than yours:

"The earth created itself."

It triumphs over your statement by requiring one fewer player.

Your statement is really two statements:

"X created Y."

"X created X."

My statement requires only one variable, hence I have just proven that G-d doesn't exist, using your standards.

 

Sanchonino,

Yes, by our Baptism, through sanctifying grace of the Holy Spirit Himself, we are cleansed from original sin, we become children of God, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ.

This passage doesn't mean we will be as God is...if you really believe that this means you shall become like God in every way, in other words, a god yourself...then you believe the same lie that Satan told Eve in the Garden...Gen. 3:5 "And the serpent said to the woman,....when you eat of it your eyes shall be opened and "you will be like gods..."

In Romans 8:16-17, by "children of God" it means adopted children. All of us are children of God by their creation, but Christians are children of God not merely by creation, but also by grace and union with our Lord Jesus Christ.

By "Heirs of God", an heir is one who inherits something...When Christ died we were left an inheritance and spiritual property. The inheritance is Heaven which we had lost through the original sin of Adam and regained by the death of our Lord Jesus Christ.

As to our glorified bodies, on the Last Day, at our resurrection our physical body will reunite to our soul and we will then become immortal. St.Matt. 13:34 and 1Cor. 15:44 are some Scriptural passages that describe the endowments of our glorified body. From here we all receive our Final Judgment where we will have to render a public account of our lives before Christ's tribunal. This is the way we become joint-heirs with Christ with a perfect spiritual life. While this is Mormon belief, there is nothing in Scripture that says those who are judged and go to eternal life in Heaven will become as God is or a god.

Your proposal is Evolution speak...the godScience, the ultimate authority, has spoken. It's not new, but one of those ideas that has been dogmatically indoctrinated into us as "fact".

Nothing plus nothing equals 2 elements plus eons of time equals 92 natural elements plus eons of more time equals all physical laws and a completely structured universe of galaxies, stars, planets and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order.

Godless Evolution theory....to you it can't possibly be false....but how do you know it...you simply accept it on sheer faith. The social pressure to assent to it is great...and 'educated' people can't imagine doubting it or dare to question it.

There's something else that doesn't seem to be addressed here. God has many attributes that make him God. He's all knowing,all powerful, he's a grace giver, he's righteous, he's holy, he's a God of Peace and He's also a God of love.

God, being God uses or used these attributes in His creating and watching over His creation whether it be of the world or mankind. I don't know if the word is "needs" or "chooses" but the point is God does need or choose to display these for our own good. One of these attributes is love. Not only does He desire we love him, but His desire, more than that, is to love us with an everlasting love. It's called an Agape love and is not the kind of love we really can understand. It's a God love.

I believe God created mankind to display this attribute...to love us and to have a relationship with us. He loved us so much that while we were acting like enemies towards Him, He died for us.

Since there is no greater love than sacrificial love, one willing to die for another, He perfectly demonstrated his most magnificant attribute of all.....LOVE.... not only by creating us but also by dying for us.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes KFC....

Lie? Actually he was right...we are gods here on earth. We create that which did not exist.

~Zoo

ya, we created all right.

Stuff like, turmoil, wrath, endless toil and needless sweat not to mention pride which begats pride etc.

some gods we are!

A god is not necessarily perfect or just. For a god to be a god all it needs is power...specifically over the creation or absolute control of something. Even the Christian God has human flaws- anger, wrath, jealousy.


~Zoo

nope...not at all like humans Zoo. Too much to go into now tho.

His jealousy....for instance is not "of us" like we get jealous of each other. His jealousy is "for us." His desire is "for us." He is jealous "for us" because He wants His very best for us. He sees us sadly taking the wrong road and following Satan (the deceiver) instead who doesn't have our best interest in mind.

Regardless of what it's for, the emotions are still the same. He feels what we feel...from the good(love) to the bad(wrath). The reasons for those feelings are irrelevant.

~Zoo

His anger is a righteous anger, one of rationality, not of biology.

My anger is quite rational. Am I God?

~Zoo

Well, my little sister is Jesus and you're God.

Can I have a pony? I've been asking that other guy for so long, and nothing.

Maybe someday, SanCho...I work in mysterious ways, y'know.

~Zoo