On Intelligent Design Part 2

Yeah, I'm making a new version, because the old one got flooded. This will, however, clarify.

Published on April 16, 2008 By erathoniel In Pure Technology

Intelligent Design is proved by two scientific statements: Einstein's Theory of Relativity, and Occam's Razor. Basically, nothing can come from nothing, without an outside force.

What I meant by this statement was that due to the Theory or Relativity, everything had to be created somehow and Occam's Razor would mean that any attempt to explain it as a mere co-incidence is more-or-less putting a customized one-person secular theology in. For those who haven't read the article I haven't written yet or anything by anyone else, any belief is a theology if it's taken as a belief of the greatest power. Yes, evolutionists worship evolution.

Also, mind you that we know nothing on the specifics of the Creation. If God willed it, we could have evolved from monocellular organisms, but, importantly, God made the universe.

Yeah, I screwed up my own quote here. Intentionally. The thought ends there. God made the universe within certain constraints, so he could have made us over a trillion years, because, quite simply, a day to him is eternity to us.

He knows what will happen, and anything that has or will happen has been mandated by Him, as are all things happening at this time.

Yes, I do correct my quotes often. This one is pure theology. Basically, God rules, we drool. Our best efforts are menstrual rags to the power of God. Our sacrifices? Paul uses an obscene term in the original Greek. Basically, God quite literally owns us. However, we are given free will. Paradoxial free-will with a pre-destined future. I'll ask God when I die. Too bad I probably won't put up another entry then.

I'm putting this in Science, given the prevelence of evolution in the scientific community. Oh, and keep the comments on-topic. No digital high-fiving.

Comments (Page 5)

erathoniel

on Apr 26, 2008

The reason ID cannot put down a theory is because the second you say "God" in science, you get laughed out of town.

lulapilgrim

on Apr 26, 2008

Why do you think we can use mice to test drugs for humans?

That is one thing, but we are discussing macroevolution that says that mice came from a different kind of species eons of time in our past. Did they?

lulapilgrim

on Apr 26, 2008

Absolutely, 100% true....for starters, we have completely different DNA.

Stubbyfinger posts:

Of mice and Men. Everything the field of genetics has tought us fully supports a common ancestory. Why do you think we can use mice to test drugs for humans? You even have the gene for a tail. Genetically all life is related.
Link

The link you provided is old...about half way down I read:

"The Human Genome Project, meanwhile, is scheduled to release its final draft in April 2003."

Well, the human genome project is complete...and the reports have come in....and though we are similiar, we are different nonetheless....and in the whole scheme of things...it's the difference that counts....The genome project has revealed there is no DNA for any 'missing link"; therefore the child-like faith of most biologists notwithstanding, we are not descended from the apes.

lulapilgrim

on Apr 26, 2008

All DNA is the same,

This is news to me. My DNA is the same as yours? is the same as my beautiful geranium plants? is the same as my german shepherds? Really?

This doesn't make sense becasue we now are able to set prisoners free becasue of their very unique DNA... right? so how can they be the same?

Zoologist03

on Apr 26, 2008

This is news to me

Wow, you just couldn't read the rest of my sentence could you? Reading skills, lula, reading skills.

All DNA is the same, it's only a matter of how the sequences are arranged.

You see all DNA is made up of the same crap. 4 nucleotides and phosphate backbones. The sequence of nucleotides is the one and only difference between other organisms.

their very unique DNA

The sequences are indeed unique, the DNA molecule itself is not.

~Zoo

SplitPeaSoup

on Apr 26, 2008

This doesn't make sense becasue we now are able to set prisoners free becasue of their very unique DNA... right? so how can they be the same?

Genetic profiling (I have actually performed this.) takes advantage of the fact that people have differing VNTRs (variable number tandem repeats). VNTRs occur in the "junk" regions of our genome. (They are actually not junk. We just have no consensus about what they do.) VNTR alleles are highly diverse, so they make confident identification through DNA possible. If functional DNA were as unique to each person as are VNTRs, then we would all be very different.

Almost all of your DNA is "junk" in the unexpressed regions of your chromosomes.

~ Docta' Cscoles

lulapilgrim

on Apr 26, 2008

All DNA is the same, it's only a matter of how the sequences are arranged.

You see all DNA is made up of the same crap. 4 nucleotides and phosphate backbones. The sequence of nucleotides is the one and only difference between other organisms.

OKay. From my daughter's biology textbook, I understand the basic make up of our DNA. Help me out though with this.....becasue I honestly don't know...are you saying each one of us humans 4 nucleotides are exactly the same?

Are they the same as a dog's nucleotides, the same as a plant's?

SplitPeaSoup

on Apr 26, 2008

Yes, they are all the same. The genetic code is universal. (For the most part. There are some unimportant bacterial exceptions.) The same nucleotide sequences, found in triplets called codons, code for the same amino acids, and the nucleotides are the same structures in every organism you are familiar with.

Zoologist03

on Apr 26, 2008

Are they the same as a dog's nucleotides, the same as a plant's?

Yes, they are all the same. The genetic code is universal.

Question answered.

The four base pairs for DNA are adenine, thymine, cytosine, and guanine- often abbreviated as A,T,C, and G. A only bonds with T and C only bonds with G.

~Zoo

Zoologist03

on Apr 26, 2008

Here we go:

~Zoo

SplitPeaSoup

on Apr 26, 2008

Interestingly, I have a half-baked idea about bases not only being the same structures but also being the same stereoisomer. That means that the 3-D configuration is either assembled forwards or in the reverse image (like how it would look in a mirror), and all your nucleotides are assembled the same way.

Ancientwanker

on Apr 26, 2008

What precisely is that common ancestry if not Adam and Eve in the case of humankind?

I know we are all part of nature and share the planet earth...

Common ancestry goes behind people though, that's kind of the meaning of the phrase.

And you really couldnt have common descent from just two individuals in just 6k years, or less with the flood as there are more known allele variants spread over our population than two people could possibly store. Those alleles came from somewhere (evolution).

Adam Eve
Aa Bb

Their kids will have those same alleles at the same loci and their childrens children will have them as well, just in different variations. But today we find specific spots that have hundreds or thousands of variant alleles. They have slowly evolved to provide more variation. Two people, or animals (or 4 or 6 or 8) couldnt store that variety.

Gideon MacLeish

on Apr 26, 2008

You see all DNA is made up of the same crap. 4 nucleotides and phosphate backbones. The sequence of nucleotides is the one and only difference between other organisms.

Which is what a COMMON DESIGNER would do, zoologist. The consistency of the pattern would seem to point TOWARDS the existence of a creator, not away from it. Now, how you define that creator, aand exactly how involved he/she/it was in creation and of the universe as well as its continued direction is an area of debate.

I try to steer free of these discussions, because I am not a scientist. I know what I believe, and I know enough to stand firm in those beliefs. But the truth is, you know as little as I do about the origin of the universe, or even of species, for that matter.

SplitPeaSoup

on Apr 26, 2008

Their kids will have those same alleles at the same loci and their childrens children will have them as well, just in different variations. But today we find specific spots that have hundreds or thousands of variant alleles. They have slowly evolved to provide more variation. Two people, or animals (or 4 or 6 or 8) couldnt store that variety.

That's an excellent point. All those populations would have died due to the "bottleneck" effect. Zoo probably knows more about that than I could tell you.

Zoologist03

on Apr 26, 2008

Which is what a COMMON DESIGNER would do, zoologist. The consistency of the pattern would seem to point TOWARDS the existence of a creator, not away from it.

Not really. If something took the time to lovingly craft every single organism then it would be perfect. How do you explain all the "junk" DNA and repressed genes? If we were formed at once, then there wouldn't be all that excess waste. I believe there was mention of a human tail gene in this thread. Why would we have that? In fact, why do we have a tail bone?

I don't know if anyone caught the recreating dinosaur special on the Discovery channel, but chickens have genes for long dinosaurlike tails except that during a certain stage in their development the signal for that to grow is stopped. However, if you add the certain protein(I think it was a protein, can't remember) at the proper place in development then the embryo will grow a longer tail then normal.

If you're going to build something, then simplicity is what you usually strive for. To have a bunch of excess is not indicative of a designer. Also with genetic defects and disorders, it's not perfect. While our cell mechanisms run very well, they're not a perfect machine. Mistakes happen and sometimes that gets very messy- cancer for instance.

If something did design and create us, he/she/it could've done a better job.

~Zoo

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