Listen to Erathoniel ranting on and on in good ol' conservative Christian fashion.

    Mormonism and Christianity vary in many ways. It would not be too big a leap to say they're different religions.

  1. Mormonism teaches that God achieved godhood by living a perfect life. Christianity (and Judaism) preaches that God is an infinite being, and always has been. "As Psalms 90:2 and 93:2 state, God has been God 'from eternity to eternity.'"
  2. Mormonism teaches that God is made of flesh and bones. Christianity (and Judaism) preach that God is an infinite, formless (in that he can take any shape or form, and needs not physically exist) being.
  3. Mormonism teaches there are many gods "There are many Gods. Brigham Young-Journal of Discourses 7:333 "How many Gods there are, I do not know.  But there never was a time when there were not Gods." This is directly in contradiction to Judaism and Christianity's teachings that there is only one God, who is, and was, and always will be. "There is only one God.  (Dt 6:4; 33:26-27; Isa 43:10; 45:5; 46:9; 1Ti 2:5)"
  4. Mormonism teaches that God takes a wife. "'Implicit in the Christian verity that all men are the spirit children of an Eternal Father is the usually unspoken truth that they are also the offspring of an Eternal Mother.  An exalted and glorified Man of Holiness (Moses 6:57) could not be a Father unless a Woman of like glory, perfection, and holiness was associated with him as a Mother' (Mormon Doctrine, 1977 ed., p. 516)" This is never mentioned in the scripture. "The Godhead determined to make man in their image, not to procreate spirit children (Ge 1:26).  Nowhere does Scripture even hint at the existence of an Eternal Mother."
  5. Mormonism believes the following: "God would stop being God if intelligences stopped supporting him as God.", where as Christianity teaches that God is infinite. "God is not God unless He is all-powerful, all knowing, absolutely in charge.  If God exists only as God because of support given from other intelligent forms, He is not God at all (Isa 44:6; Ro 3:4; Rev 1:8; 21:6; 22:13) God is unchangingly omnipotent, and no purpose of His can be thwarted.  He is not overruled by anyone (Ge 17:1; Job 36:22-23; 42:2; Isa 14:26-27; 40:13-14; Jer 32:27; Mt 19:26; Lk 1:37; Ac 17:24-25; Rev 19:6)".
  6. Mormonism believes that "Man was also in the beginning with God.  Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be"  (D&C 93:29)" I don't need a reference (Try the first page of Genesis) to disprove this.

 

There you go. Big font. Follow the Article Link for more. Yes, I did take most everything from there, but as a fellow brother in Christ, with attribution to them, I believe that it is a good, rather than a wrong to spread infomation to save the lost sheep in the world.



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on Apr 22, 2008
and for you evolutionists, think about it....what age was this wine?...it was just made yet tasted as though it had been years old.


Oh, so you were there and personally tasted it? I didn't know you were a time traveler.

~Zoo
on Apr 22, 2008

Oh, so you were there and personally tasted it? I didn't know you were a time traveler.


FYI Zoo.

It says in scripture when the guests tasted this new wine (which Christ had just made from water) that the host of the party saved the best for last. That's where she's getting her info from.

Normally you bring out the good stuff first, and then when they become so drunk they can't really know any better they bring out the cheap stuff. Christ did the opposite. He made a wine that was superior than that which had already been served.

Oh, so you were there and personally tasted it? I didn't know you were a time traveler.


on Apr 22, 2008
Wait...doesn't this:

Normally you bring out the good stuff first, and then when they become so drunk they can't really know any better they bring out the cheap stuff.


Kinda mean that this:

It says in scripture when the guests tasted this new wine (which Christ had just made from water) that the host of the party saved the best for last.


Can't possibly be trusted because these people were blind drunk and couldn't tell the difference between good and bad wine?

~Zoo
on Apr 22, 2008

 

FYI Zoo.

Thanks KFC, for explaining this.

PS...This is the first time I seen the explanation of bringing out the good stuff first, and then when they become so drunk they can't really know any better they bring out the cheap stuff.

and for you evolutionists, think about it....what age was this wine?...it was just made yet tasted as though it had been years old.

He made a wine that was superior than that which had already been served.

Exactly, superior wines are aged.

God created the earth and so the earth was new and yet seemed to some as though it had been in existence for billions of years.....which just goes to show God prodes us with truly amazing mysteries.

I didn't know you were a time traveler.

Well, this is yet another benefit to reading Sacred Scripture! It can take the reader into the past like no other Book can!  

 

 

 

 

on Apr 22, 2008

I have yet to see anyone refute that claim.

on Apr 22, 2008
This is the first time I seen the explanation of bringing out the good stuff first, and then when they become so drunk they can't really know any better they bring out the cheap stuff.


Point is, they were drunk! Coulda been good, coulda been crappy...who cares and who knows when you're blind drunk? You never take a drunk man at his word, ya know?

~Zoo
on Apr 22, 2008
Can't possibly be trusted because these people were blind drunk and couldn't tell the difference between good and bad wine?


no, it says nothing about them being drunk at this party. That's not the point of the passage to begin with. All I'm saying is they recognized that the second batch of wine was much better than the first. The fact that they noticed...to me...is saying they were not drunk but appreciated the nice unexpected surprise.

Exactly, superior wines are aged.


yes, kind of reminds us of creation doesn't it? God created the earth with age to it. That's why the carbon dating is useless to date the age of the earth from a Creationist's POV. We have no idea at what age it started at. The same here with the wine.

on Apr 22, 2008
Point is, they were drunk! Coulda been good, coulda been crappy...who cares and who knows when you're blind drunk? You never take a drunk man at his word, ya know?


Time and time again Zoo when we answer your questions with a reasonable explanation you always come back with a very combative stance. As far as I see, you have no desire to really know what the truth is here do you? If it doesn't mesh with your pre-conceived ideas then you throw away any and all reasonable explanations and chose rather to poke fun or complete disregard the answer given.

Point is...they were NOT drunk. That wasn't the point to begin with. Do you know or have you even read the passage in question?

on Apr 22, 2008
Time and time again Zoo when we answer your questions with a reasonable explanation you always come back with a very combative stance.


Actually most of the time they're not reasonable but simple extrapolations that you come up with in order to justify the passage. It isn't specified in the Bible that they were drunk or were not. However, with my knowledge of parties I'm quite sure that people drink there...and there always tends to be some exaggeration with people that are more than a bit tipsy.

Point is, if Jesus added what would amount to Kool Aid mix to some water and served it to a bunch of people that were happily down the path of inebriation...it's quite possible that their taste buds weren't as sharp as they are normally.

As far as I see, you have no desire to really know what the truth is here do you? If it doesn't mesh with your pre-conceived ideas then you throw away any and all reasonable explanations and chose rather to poke fun or complete disregard the answer given.


Actually, that would seem to describe what I see from you quite accurately.

The difference is that I'm arguing with you with the mindset of literature instead of "truth." I love truth, search for it, investigate it...it's what I do. However, the Bible is far from verifiable objective truth...so I'm treating it as a story and a story is open to interpretation...which is why we have reading and English classes in school.


~Zoo
on Apr 22, 2008
which is why we have reading and English classes in school.


I always thought that was just God's wrath...
on Apr 22, 2008
I always thought that was just God's wrath...


I'm actually inclined to agree with you.

The only English class I liked was senior year of high school...mostly because we just talked about stuff-there were like 10 of us in that class. It was fun.

~Zoo
on Apr 22, 2008
Observation on that story - the guy who drank knew what he was drinking, that it was good. He was expecting worse, and got good wine. He knows what bad wine tastes like after a few drinks, because he's had it before. He specifically states that most people bring out the bad wine, but you have saved the good wine for last. Do you really think he says that at parties where they do bring out kool-aid? I doubt it. I bet that's the only time it ever happened to him in his life, which is why it bore special observation.
on Apr 22, 2008
Lula:

I AM NOT ARGUING THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST. I WAS DOING SOMETHING WE IN THE INTELLIGENT, REASONABLE UNIVERSE CALL "PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE."

Do you see how pissed off you got when I made statements defying your beliefs? And those statements, though not true, (Criss Angel) would have been valid arguments by an atheist?

Of course I believe in Jesus Christ, his divinity, and that he's the Only Begotten of the Father, the Savior of the world.

However, citing scripture as scientific evidence doesn't work to prove a fact, because there are people who don't believe in the Bible. Just like you don't believe in the Book of Mormon. That's what I'm trying to say, and YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. Learn the more subtle nuances of college level wit before ever speaking to me again.

Cedarbird is out of this discussion. Right now.
on Apr 22, 2008
Cedarbird is out of this discussion. Right now.


Aw.
on Apr 22, 2008
Of course I believe in Jesus Christ, his divinity, and that he's the Only Begotten of the Father, the Savior of the world.


Good for this is all true...however, this belief is only part of what Mormons believe about Jesus Christ...at least according to ParaTed2K....


Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is "a" God...and that would infer one of many gods...which takes us back to Erathoniel's #3

Mormonism teaches there are many gods "There are many Gods. Brigham Young-Journal of Discourses 7:333 "How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods." This is directly in contradiction to Judaism and Christianity's teachings that there is only one God, who is, and was, and always will be. "There is only one God. (Dt 6:4; 33:26-27; Isa 43:10; 45:5; 46:9; 1Ti 2:5)"

which you, Cedarbird, have not refuted as false and so therefore must stand as Mormon belief.

As a result of your silence on this point, it can be concluded that this particular Mormon belief stands in direct contradiction to Christianity which teaches there is only One God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Learn the more subtle nuances of college level wit before ever speaking to me again.


Cedarbird, when it comes to discussing something as serious as Christianity, I'm not interested in college level wit, I'm interested in the truth. Truth is in possession...and Christianity has the truth.

Mormonism mixes truth with error. It's a modern form of Arianism.
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