Listen to Erathoniel ranting on and on in good ol' conservative Christian fashion.

    Mormonism and Christianity vary in many ways. It would not be too big a leap to say they're different religions.

  1. Mormonism teaches that God achieved godhood by living a perfect life. Christianity (and Judaism) preaches that God is an infinite being, and always has been. "As Psalms 90:2 and 93:2 state, God has been God 'from eternity to eternity.'"
  2. Mormonism teaches that God is made of flesh and bones. Christianity (and Judaism) preach that God is an infinite, formless (in that he can take any shape or form, and needs not physically exist) being.
  3. Mormonism teaches there are many gods "There are many Gods. Brigham Young-Journal of Discourses 7:333 "How many Gods there are, I do not know.  But there never was a time when there were not Gods." This is directly in contradiction to Judaism and Christianity's teachings that there is only one God, who is, and was, and always will be. "There is only one God.  (Dt 6:4; 33:26-27; Isa 43:10; 45:5; 46:9; 1Ti 2:5)"
  4. Mormonism teaches that God takes a wife. "'Implicit in the Christian verity that all men are the spirit children of an Eternal Father is the usually unspoken truth that they are also the offspring of an Eternal Mother.  An exalted and glorified Man of Holiness (Moses 6:57) could not be a Father unless a Woman of like glory, perfection, and holiness was associated with him as a Mother' (Mormon Doctrine, 1977 ed., p. 516)" This is never mentioned in the scripture. "The Godhead determined to make man in their image, not to procreate spirit children (Ge 1:26).  Nowhere does Scripture even hint at the existence of an Eternal Mother."
  5. Mormonism believes the following: "God would stop being God if intelligences stopped supporting him as God.", where as Christianity teaches that God is infinite. "God is not God unless He is all-powerful, all knowing, absolutely in charge.  If God exists only as God because of support given from other intelligent forms, He is not God at all (Isa 44:6; Ro 3:4; Rev 1:8; 21:6; 22:13) God is unchangingly omnipotent, and no purpose of His can be thwarted.  He is not overruled by anyone (Ge 17:1; Job 36:22-23; 42:2; Isa 14:26-27; 40:13-14; Jer 32:27; Mt 19:26; Lk 1:37; Ac 17:24-25; Rev 19:6)".
  6. Mormonism believes that "Man was also in the beginning with God.  Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be"  (D&C 93:29)" I don't need a reference (Try the first page of Genesis) to disprove this.

 

There you go. Big font. Follow the Article Link for more. Yes, I did take most everything from there, but as a fellow brother in Christ, with attribution to them, I believe that it is a good, rather than a wrong to spread infomation to save the lost sheep in the world.



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on Apr 19, 2008
Lula posts:
Again, St.Thomas warned that prophetic public revelation insofar as it is ordered to doctrine ceased with the death of the last Apostle but that private revelations insofar as it is a directive of human actions, will always continue.

Texas Wahine posts:

Scriptures, please?


Hebrews 1:1-2 tells us that public or general revelation ended at the death of the last Apostle. Here, St.Paul tells us that God has sent everything in His Incarnate Word, Jesus Christ.

"In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son."


Christ, the Son of God made man is the Father's one, perfect, and unsurpassable Word. In Him everything has been said; there will be no other word than this one. In one of his sermons, St.John of the Cross spoke on Hebrews 1:1-2:

"In giving us his Son, His only Word, (for He possesess no other), He spoke everything to us at once in this sole Word--and He has no more to say....becasue what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, He has now spoken all at once by giving us the All Who is His Son. Any person questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior but also of offending Him, by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ and by living with the desire for some other novelty."

This tells me that St.John of the Cross is warning against people like Joseph Smith who claims to have new revelation from Christ.

The Catechism of the CC # 66 and 67 also says there will be no further Revelation.

The Christian economoy therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Tim 6:14; Titus 2:13. Yet, even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit, it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

Throughout the ages, there have been many so-called private revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church (Fatima and Lourdes are two). They do not belong however to the Deposit of Faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these private revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or His Saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept "revelations" that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such "revelations".
on Apr 19, 2008

Like I said erathoniel, they don't prove the Book of Mormon, however, lulapilgrim asked for evidence, not proof. That is what I provided.

But, the problem is that if evidence doesn't stand up to a casual examination. I know a Viking ship when I see one, and I doubt the Ark had sails.

on Apr 19, 2008
I know a Viking ship when I see one, and I doubt the Ark had sails.


Prove that. Prove the flood. Prove the seven plagues of Egypt. Prove the three days of complete darkness when Christ was crucified. Prove that Goliath existed. Prove that a bunch of snakes came and killed the children of Israel, but they were healed when they looked at a statue. Prove that Moses turned the Red Sea red, or divided it. Prove creation.


It's not about proof. It's about faith.
on Apr 19, 2008

Ah, but I have proof of the flood (volcanoes at ultra-high heights having the same lava as found underwater), proof of Goliath (heck, an entire race like him), and I know for a certainty of creation (we're here, ain't we?).

There's plenty of truth. Blind faith is a weakness. Faith in proof is not.

on Apr 19, 2008
Ah, but I have proof of the flood (volcanoes at ultra-high heights having the same lava as found underwater),


...all volcanos produce lava. All lava comes from magma. The composition may vary on a geographical scale, but it's all pretty much the same mix of igneous and metamorphic rock.

proof of Goliath


A race of giants? I'd love a link to that.

I know for a certainty of creation (we're here, ain't we?).


We're here...but you don't know exactly how. There's hundreds of creation stories out there, and you really can't prove one over the other.

~Zoo
on Apr 19, 2008
Ah, but I have proof of the flood (volcanoes at ultra-high heights having the same lava as found underwater)


Mmm...I was just recently informed that there is proof of the flood, and the seven plagues. The others though...prove those for me, there big guy. I dare you.

Like Zoo said, links and all.


I mean, you want proof of my religion, give me proof of yours.

See? That's not what this is about. Heavenly Father doesn't want us to fight over religion, contention is of the devil, after all.
on Apr 19, 2008

proof of Goliath (heck, an entire race like him),

A race of giants? I'd love a link to that.

Genesis 6:4 "Now giants were upon the earth in those days....."

Re: these giants, my notes say that it is likely the generality of men before the Flood were of gigantic stature in comparison to what men are now. Scripture goes on to describe these giants as not only tall in stature but violent and savage, and cruel in their dispostions.

 

on Apr 19, 2008
Scripture goes on to describe these giants as not only tall in stature but violent and savage, and cruel in their dispostions.


Heh, it's like Norse mythology.

~Zoo
on Apr 19, 2008

Nephilim, if I'm correct, is the term for them. I can remember reading about finding them (or dwellings big enough for them) somewhere, but I can't for the life of me remember where.

On Nephilim, anyone play Avernum?

on Apr 19, 2008
Interesting......  
on Apr 19, 2008

...all volcanos produce lava. All lava comes from magma. The composition may vary on a geographical scale, but it's all pretty much the same mix of igneous and metamorphic rock.

Yes, but the lava flow was different, not the composition.

on Apr 20, 2008
erathoniel, you've set up a pretty good double standard for yourself here. You tell me that there are no more prophets, "real Christians" walk by faith alone. But for the rest of us, you demand proof. Not just evidence, but proof. You hold my references up to scrutiny, but you excuse your own references' misrepresetations.

So, I'm going to make one challenge to you, but you have to live up to the standard to which you hold everyone else...

Using physical evidence, Prove the divinity of Jesus Christ.

on Apr 20, 2008

This morning when I started participating in this thread, I said that I'd only stay in it as long as it doesn't turn ugly. It hasn't quite gotten ugly, but it is a bit homely.

I thank all of you who kept the interchanges friendly, yes we disagreed and asked challenging questions of each other, but once the questions were answered, most of us accepted the answers graciously. That doesn't mean we agreed, but we were willing to respect each other along the way.

But there is contention with a few hear, and when there is contention, there is no Spirit. So, erathoniel, I will check back to see your answer to my challenge, but I'm bowing out.

Thanks erathoniel, it was a great discussion, and I enjoyed it a lot.

May Our Heavenly Father bless you all witha sincere desire to have your prayers answered, and a willingness to accept the answers you get.

on Apr 20, 2008
But there is contention with a few hear, and when there is contention, there is no Spirit. So, erathoniel, I will check back to see your answer to my challenge, but I'm bowing out.


Consider myself chastised...okay. I guess I'm done, too. Thanks for the example, Ted.
on Apr 20, 2008
Using physical evidence, Prove the divinity of Jesus Christ.


I would say.....the empty tomb.

All the powerful Roman Goverment had to do......was find a dead body. That's it. The resurrection was the greatest of all proofs of his divinity. The fact that all his friends first deserted him and then died for him was a great witness. One may live for a lie (if they stole the body) but would they be willing to die for a lie? If so, they all (but one) died for this lie.


if you really want to confuse yourself...read Isaac Watts (or Plato) someday. He said first you have to prove you exist before you can prove Christ exist and work backwards. Can you do that?

In order to prove that Christ even existed...first prove that you exist.

Ted.....do you really exist? Is it because somebody told you this? How do I know you're just not a figmant of my and everyone's imagination?

Why is green green? Is it because it is....or is it because someone told you it is?



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