Sorry I'll try again, perhaps my question was a little complicated.

Where in the quote '"Submit yourself to every ordinance of man" is the word just?

You do not have to disobey any law just because it is not just. However, if the laws of man go against the Law of God, then the Law of God takes precedence.

But the law of god is to obay any and all laws.  Going against the 'ordinance of man' is itself going against the law of god.

There are 613 laws of God according to the Torah.  Do you follow each one? I doubt it. I, for one, do not and would not wish to live in a society governed by biblical law.  Neither would you, I'm sure.  We do not live in a theoracy, thank God, but we do have civil law for a civil society.

OK, this is more clear.

This, btw, is not even an exact biblical quote but it's close enough for this discussion. The answer to your question is no, the biblical quote doesn't contain the actual word "just". Re-read my reply and you'll see that I'm describing the meaning of the passage.



Btw, the entire passage of Romans 13 is 7 verses. Does anyone want me to quote it?

They're brown right now, 'cuz you're full of crap.

Or, I think that's what was trying to be said to you. I don't necessarily agree with anything except that it's a really good way to say that without saying it, and I thought I'd come ruin it by saying it.

On the contrary. The Law of God is the Law of God. The Law of God tells us to obey the laws of man, except where the laws of man violate the Law of God.

It is actually Peter 2:13 '"Submit yourself to every ordinance of man...'

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/obeylaw.html

or

http://www.biblegateway.com

'Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men:'

And you quote different parts of the bible none of which appear to conflict with these versions of the same thing which say nothing about just laws, in fact they quite clearly state 'every' law must be followed.

 

 

Thank you So Daiho.

Romans 13 is God's admonition on proper behavior and the attitude we must take towards civil authorities.

It doesn't necessarily mean a recoginition of every form of civil authority completely without regard to the details of its constitution. The main point is that we are to recognize the existing authorities as given by Almighty God.

It's a Christian's proper starting point knowing that God being the Author of the social order created man as needing to live and develop within a community. Among the things owed to authority are: honor, respect, reverential fear, and the payment of taxes to contribute to the services which allow citizens to live in peace and security which protect them from violence and civil disorder, and which guarantee them a more civilized lifestyle. By acting this way, Christians are keeping our Lord's commandment "to render to Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and to God the things that are Gods."




Ha, history has shown the ancient Israelites sure had a hard time doing so!

There is no qualifier to that passage that I can find.  Please tell if there is one.   It doesn't not say 'apart from the following', it says all.

Agree....now apply that to Proverbs:

Proverbs 8:15, "By Me, kings reign, and lawgivers decree just things."

and that to Romans 13:3:

"For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad"

Let's cut to the chase....How does the legalization of abortion square with this?

The problem is that man no longer listens to God's Law. Instead of interpreting God's Law, we have had to write our own, and interpret it. Therefore, we now have many laws contradictory to the Law of God.

If the king makes an unjust law then he is going against god's law but it is still god's word that people obay it.

Assuming that it does not violate God's Law, yes. If the king were to make a law that required contradiction of God's Law, then it is the people's responsibility to disobey it, though not to rebel or riot, merely disobey. See the story of Daniel.

Sorry, you still haven't explained to me where in the passage from Paul there is that option.  There is nothing in there about 'Assuming that it does not violate God's Law'.