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This will be the most heretical work in the Church of Secular Humanism
Published on July 18, 2008 By erathoniel In World War II

     AUTHOR'S NOTE: I do not subscribe to the Church of Secular Humanism (just take the tax exemption, already), so this work is not technically "heretical", and it is filled with my bias, but you can try to prove me wrong.

Introduction:

     Hitler subscribed to the teachings of Darwin in making his racist, hate-filled Third Reich which, at one point, threatened to take over the world and create a eugenics-fed super-planet. This man was, undoubtedly, a genius (albeit with a misdirection in his life). He knew how to look good, be charming and eloquent, be brutally effective, and, quite frankly, kill those who hated him, or those he hated.

     What, pray tell, was Hitler's inspiration? He dreamed of a world where the Aryan people could be the dominant race, and the world would be better, and all that junk that he wanted. However, he was also, consciously or not, the first militant Secular Humanist. He wanted to speed up Evolution, and bring about an empire that would rule a thousand years. Tell me what's wrong with this picture? The fact that he wanted to kill over genes that were not even chosen by those he killed.

     This is the great Secular Crusade. Continue Evolution. Help Evolution come to pass. Become the perfect people. Quicker. Regardless of morality, decency, or any regard for human life, Evolution must be obtained.

      AUTHOR'S NOTE: More tomorrow. I'm going to bed.


Comments (Page 1)
on Jul 18, 2008
This man was, undoubtedly, a genius


No, he was no genius. He was a very charismatic and egotistical man. And a meglomaniac. But his waging of the war and his rantings indicate he was far from a genius. The problem with killing your detractors is that when you really need honest advice (and thank god he was not so blessed), you dont get it. Many times in the war, the allies were on the brink of defeat, and each time it was his ego that helped the allies, and eventually his downfall.

His faults were the salvation of the world.
on Jul 18, 2008
I prove you wrong:

"Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities. It is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural views of reality."

This is the statement of the International Humanist and Ethical Union, a peak body for humanist groups worldwide. The statement above is the core belief that must be shared to be a a member of the secular humanist crusade, as you seem to think the IHEU should be called.

Note the requirement to allow all humans (not just the chosen few, a la Judaism, Christianity or Islam) to give meaning and shape to their own lives. That leaves little room for crusades.
on Jul 18, 2008

No, he was no genius. He was a very charismatic and egotistical man. And a meglomaniac. But his waging of the war and his rantings indicate he was far from a genius. The problem with killing your detractors is that when you really need honest advice (and thank god he was not so blessed), you dont get it. Many times in the war, the allies were on the brink of defeat, and each time it was his ego that helped the allies, and eventually his downfall.

Well, yeah, he was insane, but logically he was a genius, at least towards the start of his career, before he became so egotistical. Who else can bring a nation out of a depression, form alliances, and make a ruined country a fighting machine to terrorize the world?

"Humanism is a democratic and ethical life stance, which affirms that human beings have the right and responsibility to give meaning and shape to their own lives. It stands for the building of a more humane society through an ethic based on human and other natural values in the spirit of reason and free inquiry through human capabilities. It is not theistic, and it does not accept supernatural views of reality."

Actually, you prove exactly what I said. With no predefined values, there is no reason not to kill, steal, or destroy. You can interpret that, may I point out, as: "Do whatever you think is best", which equates perfectly with the views of Hitler.

on Jul 18, 2008
With no predefined values, there is no reason not to kill, steal, or destroy.


I think you'll find religions offer plenty of reasons to kill, steal or destroy. Western Judaism/Christianity/Islam in particular offer lots of reasons, ranging from the sins of those you smite to the righteousness of slavery.

But I can see there's no reasoning with you if you haven't taken the time to even read wikipedia. You've obviously decided what secular humanism is already and aren't prepared to look into it at all, preferring to righteously smote your paper tiger.

My only question is, isn't masturbation against God, and if so, why must you do it so publicly?
on Jul 18, 2008

I think you'll find religions offer plenty of reasons to kill, steal or destroy. Western Judaism/Christianity/Islam in particular offer lots of reasons, ranging from the sins of those you smite to the righteousness of slavery.

Excuse me, I've never heard of a command to kill.

 

on Jul 19, 2008

Well, yeah, he was insane, but logically he was a genius, at least towards the start of his career, before he became so egotistical

Nope, he was a nutjob back then too...he just hadn't found an appropriate platform for his lunacy.  (and when I say 'nutjob' and 'lunacy' I don't mean clinically and legally insane.  He knew what he was doing....he was a megalomaniac, a narcissist and had an ego the size of europe).

In order to understand why Hitler and his policies were so popular, you have to look at the economic and social climate in Germany circa 1930.  People were disillusioned, the economy was in the toilet...and along came Adolf with his 'The jews are to blame' spiel.  People were fed up enough to buy into it.

Did you know that the Nazis actually spread propaganda claiming that judaism was contagious?  'Bacillus Judaicus' is what they named it...and again, the German people bought into it.

I don't agree with your definition of secular humanism either.

This feels like Lucas all over again....

on Jul 19, 2008

Nope, he was a nutjob back then too...he just hadn't found an appropriate platform for his lunacy. (and when I say 'nutjob' and 'lunacy' I don't mean clinically and legally insane. He knew what he was doing....he was a megalomaniac, a narcissist and had an ego the size of europe).

Yes, but he had a brain in his head, at least.

In order to understand why Hitler and his policies were so popular, you have to look at the economic and social climate in Germany circa 1930. People were disillusioned, the economy was in the toilet...and along came Adolf with his 'The jews are to blame' spiel. People were fed up enough to buy into it.

I've looked at that. But, Hitler was a genius in aligning his policies so correctly (hey, the Democrats try every four years).

Did you know that the Nazis actually spread propaganda claiming that judaism was contagious? 'Bacillus Judaicus' is what they named it...and again, the German people bought into it.

I've never heard that, though I wouldn't doubt it.

I don't agree with your definition of secular humanism either.

I never asked you to, did I?

on Jul 20, 2008

Yes, but he had a brain in his head, at least.

So, you've gone from saying the man was a genius to saying that he 'had a brain in his head'.  I have a brain in my head, too.  And a pretty high IQ.  Does that make me a genius?  No.

Hitler played his cards well, yes.  He manipulated and took advantage of the german people and their disillusionment.  It doesn't take a genius to do that.  Shrewd, perhaps.  Genius....nope.

on Jul 20, 2008

erathoniel


I think you'll find religions offer plenty of reasons to kill, steal or destroy. Western Judaism/Christianity/Islam in particular offer lots of reasons, ranging from the sins of those you smite to the righteousness of slavery.
Excuse me, I've never heard of a command to kill.
 

But how about slavery?

King James version (american) Lev 25:44

'Both your slaves, and your bondmaids, which you shall have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall you buy slaves and bondmaids.'

on Jul 20, 2008

Actually I missed this one.

Deuteronomy 13:7-12

'some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.'


Now to me 'you shall stone him to death with stones' sounds a little to me like a command to kill.

on Jul 20, 2008

So, you've gone from saying the man was a genius to saying that he 'had a brain in his head'. I have a brain in my head, too. And a pretty high IQ. Does that make me a genius? No.

Hitler played his cards well, yes. He manipulated and took advantage of the german people and their disillusionment. It doesn't take a genius to do that. Shrewd, perhaps. Genius....nope.

Fine. Hitler's shrewd. You get my point, though, regardless of terminology.

on Jul 20, 2008

'some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. 9 But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10 You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.'

Now to me 'you shall stone him to death with stones' sounds a little to me like a command to kill.

This is a order to keep away from the pagans (ok, and kill them too), but only in one instance. God mandated war to give Israel the Holy Land.

on Jul 21, 2008

In that case I must have misunderstood Zechariah13
‘And if anyone still prophesies, his father and mother, to whom he was born, will say to him, 'You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD's name.' When he prophesies, his own parents will stab him.’

And

‘Prepare a place to slaughter his sons
       for the sins of their forefathers;
       they are not to rise to inherit the land
       and cover the earth with their cities.’

from Isaiah 14 can’t mean what it actually says.

And lest we forget Exodus 31
‘I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death’

on Jul 21, 2008

And while we are at it how about the slavery?  The bible, as quoted above, says its fine and even gives rules for how it is to be done.

 

What does Secular Humanism say about it?

on Jul 21, 2008

And while we are at it how about the slavery? The bible, as quoted above, says its fine and even gives rules for how it is to be done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(Biblical)

Slavery was neither a life-long affair, nor was it a cruel affair. Therefore there was no problem with it. And, pray tell, why is slavery wrong, other than that we're so important?

‘I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death’

I fail to see the problem in this. It's a mandatory weekly holiday, with some restrictions applied.

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