Death Rights! Wealth Rights! Race Rights!

See? I can make anything a right by combining it with the word right. But it does not make it a reality. Reproductive Rights is a misnomer. It is like saying you have the right to swing your arms wherever you want. Of course we know you do not. Your right ends where my nose begins.

You have no more right to demand the service of another (that is called slavery after all and I think we did away with that), than you have the right to demand the death of another.

Slave ownwers had the right to whip their property too, but that didn't make it right.

I don't equate a medical procedure with a protest march.



Are you serious?!? If a woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy, yes there is a medical need for it and certainly within a reasonable time frame. Abortion is LEGAL! It's not a freaking manicure. So I will assume that your stance is that every pregnant prisoner MUST carry their pregnancy to term. Who else are you going to force that decision on? Only prisoners? Does a local sheriff get to make that decision? What if the situation were reversed that the sheriff was forcing the pregnant prisoners to have abortions? Would that be okay?



Yes, they do. That is the whole reason they are in existence.


No it is a valid constitutional right under the 14th amendment and the Roe V. Wade decision.

So there's a constitutional right to kill your own child? How scary.

But not jail, you notice. You are still unrestricted, other than having to pay a fine.

Yes, and speed limits are for safety. I'm not advocating speeding, but it's only worth a fine unless you hurt someone.

I seatbelt before the engine gets turned on if I can.

So, again, how are your arguing for your point, and not just messing up my thread and wasting my time by going off topic?

When have I called myself perfect? Please find exact words, and quote in context. When you derail my thread, I give you a stinking grammar lesson and then you cry about it.

So, let me get this straight, we're supossed to release prisoners to hospitals for whatever they want?

Thank you, ParaTed, for putting it so nicely.

I believe you may be misreading the law. He has to be the one to provide transportation, he doesn't need to give a ride to prisoners.

Arpaio runs a no-kill animal shelter. It's called MASH, find it at his site.

I don't equate abortion with a medical procedure, I equate it with cold blooded murder. Abortion is murder.

There is no "need" for most abortions, simply a convenience. It's legal, sure, but is it a right? They should carry to term, by all means. I'd force that on everyone if I could.

You're forgetting, I'm against abortions. If it were reversed, of course it would not be okay, because abortion is murder.

Yes, they do give about select rights that make life easier for them.

I see no place in the 14th where it guarantees abortion. It guarantees a baby a right to life. If you wanna advocate murder, how would you feel if you were aborted?

Boudica:

Your argument is that, since she has a right to an abortion, and paid for it, then the sherrif is violating her rights by not providing transportation. She also has the right to protest, so if your argument were legitimate, then both rights should be respected equally.



Please explain to me the medically need when the mother and fetus are both healthy? Abortion is legal, but if the mother and fetus are both healthy there is no disease to be treated.



It is my stance that no elective medical procedures should be accomidated for people in jail. It is also my stance that people in jail should be given access to medical care for non-elective treatment. Pregnancy is not a disease, it is a natural result of sexual activity. To deny this is to deny reality.



Now you've lost it completely. How is denying a person's access to elective treatment anywhere close to forcing one on someone?

On the other hand, I would bet that there are elective treatments you have no problem seeing forced on people... but I digress.

That's the reason Roger Baldwin started it, but he wouldn't recognize the ACLU of today. As often happens, what started out as a good organization, ends up being co-opted by powermongers with their own agenda.

Baldwin's ACLU was against communism and all other forms of totalitarianism. The modern ACLU embraces all forms of totalitarianism but refuses to defend freedom for anyone else.

They defend any murderous dicatator (or their supporters) if universities invite them as guest speakers, but when the invitations of conservative speakers are blocked, the ACLU is silent.

The ACLU is against military recruiters on college and high school campi, but defend every anti American, anti Freedom nutjob group's "right" to recruit on campus.

So is AIDS and syphilis.

And they are diseases. Pregnancy is not. View them as consequences of casual sexual activity.

I think you are deliberately being obtuse. There is a medical need to have an abortion when the mother chooses to terminate the pregnancy.

I can't think of anything. Do you want to enlighten me?


But you are saying that this sheriff should have the right to make these choices based on his own views instead of following the law and the courts decisions. What if he thought prisoners should all have abortions?



No my point is that this was already decided in a court decision three years ago and the sheriff's job is to UPHOLD the law not defy the law. The court decision was specifically to address a prisoner being transported to have an abortion not to go to a protest.



A fetus is not a child.



I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. A court ruled that they have to provide transportation to women who are seeking an abortion. That's it end of story. Exactly what is the argument, that the sheriffs of our country should have more authority than the courts?



and this is relevent because?

No, it's not.

No, I'm speaking in medical terms, unlike you who just seems to throw around words to try to make a point that can't be made. Abortion is considered an elective procedure by the medical profession. There are abortions that are considered medically necessary, but this woman's situation isn't one of those.

Please learn the difference between medical fact and opinion.



Would you be for requiring abortions of prison inmates? Are you for or against mandatory vaccinations for public schools? Are you for or against mandatory Schipping of convicted sex offenders? Should the military be able to give medication to servicemembers against their will?

Notice I did form all of these as questions since we've moved from me merely speculating about your position to actually discussing them.



But decisions aren't made in a vaccuum, nor is abortion the only right recognized by law. What galls me is that you and those activist judges make special accomidations for abortion under the guise of "rights" yet abortion is the only right you want it to apply to.

The woman does not get special "rights" just because she chooses to have an abortion.

I swear abortion has become a religion to a lot of Americans.

A medical want, you are totally being selfish if you have an abortion simply because you choose to. There is no justice in allowing any woman to have an abortion for convenience.

Given your viewpoints, lobotomy.

I'm saying that the sheriff is doing the right thing.

The sheriff's job is to ENFORCE the law, not UPHOLD the law. He doesn't need to do more than that. To tell you the truth, he can deadlock it.

So if your parents had killed you at that stage, you wouldn't have cared? Good.

Nope. I'm just saying that Sheriff Joe can do whatever he wants and play by his rules with his prisoners.

This is relevant because Sheriff Joe is a nice guy, just tough on crime.

Is too. It's a living creature, at the least.

There's nothing you can say or do
To justify the fact

That there's a living breathing baby inside of you

Where are you getting this idea?

There's so much wrong with that statement I wouldn't even know where to begin. I mean, it's one thing to find the law to be unjust, but to advocate that a sheriff can and should do whatever he wants and "play by his rules" with his prisoners...Wow.

PS - babies don't breathe in the womb, LOL.

Brandie:

I agree with you here, no sheriff has the right to do anything he wants to the people in his jail. However, no judge has the right to create rights out of thin air either. Unfortunately for us, incompetent judges have been doing that for a long time.




Um, actually they do. They don't do it through lungs, but they do take respiratory gasses in and expel them (which is what breathing is).