Of course, you can't refute something that's not valid.

~Zoo

I take it you are referring to me.  The only thing I can think of that will take a beating and 'keep on limping' is a zombie.  And that is a fictional character.  As for refuting anything you say(as opposed to the 'we' you use), provide some intelligent, articulate points and you might get a response.  And with regards to commenting, I only comment on those points that interest or disturb me.  Just in case you're in doubt as to which one of these you are, you're the latter.

Nice to know that I'm just another ordinary guy. (Reference to Ordinary by Thousand Foot Krutch)

I listen to heavy-metal (Demon Hunter), play tabletop games (D&D) style. I do lots of things that everyday people do, I don't need to be perfect to be saved.

I know 3 doctors (Counting theology, 5). Two of them are non-theology degrees I met at church. The other is my physical doctor.

If you wish to argue that religion is a crutch, shall I point out that the strongest people in the world are Christians, and their success frequently waves when they leave God behind and do what they feel is best, not what the Bible ordains.

A. It's not heavy metal, it's metalcore. Huge difference.

B. It's not metalcore, it's Christian metalcore. There's no metal in 'Christian metal'.

And what does you being ordinary or having occasional association with doctors have anything to do with the validity or lack thereof of your supposed 'argument' for Intelligent Design?

Don't get your panties in a bunch, just because we've pointed out that your 'argument' isn't such, it's mostly empty vapid talking points without substance.

But by that statement right there. (See bold) If everything points to having a beginning, then how can there be an exception? It would make the entire point of everything having a beginning, null and void. Think about it, if, as you state, common sense and reason says that everything has to have a source, then what about God? Was there a God before him? How about before that one?

I mean, doesn't science tell us that things cannot come from nothing? (Right Zoo? SC?)



Religion, like everything else, is what you make of it.

He's got a point, and it's not just confined to JU either.

Sorry about the link that wasn't a link with no explanation.  I realize that copying and pasting is tremendously arduous.

 

It's a link to the first of 8 parts on YouTube of an interview between the Associate Producer of Expelled and some of the editors of Scientific American magazine.  I particularly like the part in Part 2 where the Associate Producer says that a particular scientist and evolutionary biologist who is known for his Christianity was exempted from the film because it would needlessly confuse the issue.  It's at about 8 mins 10 seconds in to Part 2.

    I disagree with that. As we do not know how the world was specifically created, it always helps to have more opinions.

That's fine...but you see, the issue is that OPINIONS ARE NOT SCIENCE!

~Zoo

I meant on the Creation. Not evolution or whatnot. Evolution is an opinion.

No, it's a theory...actually, it's more of a model these days. The only people that doubt it with such veracity are people that have absolutely no understanding of it.

~Zoo

that's hoaky....to be nice......

Then you explain what it is, KFC.  I'd like to see exactly what your definition of evolution is...not a textbook one, but what your working definition of it is that causes you to doubt 150 years of development and research...excuse me, not doubt...but vehemently deny 150 years of research and development.

~Zoo

If it's wrong, I will deny it.

OH MY GOOD CRAP you've done it. You've convinced me. You've converted me from someone with an open mind, who sees the evidence that points heavily in the direction of evolution into a Young-Earth-Creationist/Zealot, with one simple turn of phrase.

You sir, are a master debater, a true rhetorician. Congrats.