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Published on April 16, 2008 By erathoniel In Religion

    Intelligent Design is proved by two scientific statements: Einstein's Theory of Relativity, and Occam's Razor. Basically, nothing can come from nothing, without an outside force. Therefore the universe must have been created. Occam's Razor would also prove this theory. "God created the Earth" is much more simple than any alternative. Also, any arguements for the contrary can be labled as free will (We have free will, but God must, to give us true free will, let us decide based on evidence). Also, mind you that we know nothing on the specifics of the Creation. If God willed it, we could have evolved from monocellular organisms, but, importantly, God made the universe, he knows what will happen, and anything that has or will happen has been mandated by him, as are all things happening at this time.


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on Apr 18, 2008


This is the Evolutionary formula for making the universe:

Nothing + nothing = 2 elements + time = 92 natural elements + time = all physical laws and a completely structured universe of galaxies, systems, stars, planets, and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order.

This is the evolutionary formula for making life:

Dirt + water + time = living creatures

on Apr 18, 2008
This is the Evolutionary formula for making the universe:

Nothing + nothing = 2 elements + time = 92 natural elements + time = all physical laws and a completely structured universe of galaxies, systems, stars, planets, and moons orbiting in perfect balance and order.

This is the evolutionary formula for making life:

Dirt + water + time = living creatures


Zoo just went off about this. That's not evolution. Evolution is Species + time = new species. That's it.
on Apr 18, 2008
Now if you wanted to suggest that the universe itself is God, that would at least be an interesting philosophical discussion.


No, I couldn't/wouldn't ever suggest that....becasue believing that the universe itself is God ends up as cultivated atheism.



on Apr 18, 2008
Zoo just went off about this. That's not evolution. Evolution is Species + time = new species. That's it.


How about dirt + water + time = species + time = new species?
on Apr 18, 2008
Zoo just went off about this. That's not evolution. Evolution is Species + time = new species. That's it.


Wow...thank ya, Jyth.

How about dirt + water + time = species + time = new species?


Dirt + water + time = mud...that's all.

Abiogenesis is what you're looking to combat. And feel free to do so, it's nowhere near being close to figuring out how life sprang up.

As Jyth so eloquently put, species + time = new species. That's all it is. It's also well supported.

~Zoo
on Apr 18, 2008
Let's say there is a God.

If that's the case, why did he screw things up so badly?
on Apr 18, 2008
If that's the case, why did he screw things up so badly?


He's a dick. Well, it's that or the non intervention approach I'm holding on to. I'd rather believe that God lets us live without intervention or direct help rather than his dickishness. However, if I'm wrong on that count then he surely is a dick.

~Zoo
on Apr 18, 2008

Non-intervention. Otherwise we wouldn't have free will.

on Apr 18, 2008
Non-intervention isn't a good excuse. Sorry. If he is omniscient, then he knew how badly he had fucked things up. Why do it when you know it will end badly? Why not do things right?

Free will or no, still not a good excuse.
on Apr 18, 2008
Non-intervention isn't a good excuse. Sorry. If he is omniscient, then he knew how badly he had fucked things up. Why do it when you know it will end badly? Why not do things right?


And that's why I don't hold on too dearly to this religion stuff. Too many questions, not enough good answers.



I like some of the teachings, though...but I won't invest into the mythos so easily...it doesn't add up as much as it should. And where does that leave us? Inventing crazy rationalizations for it.

~Zoo
on Apr 19, 2008
If that's the case, why did he screw things up so badly?


Would you mind telling us what things you think God screwed up?

I mean He created angels, a wonderful cosmos, a beautiful earth, Adam and Eve perfect in every way and immortal as long as they obeyed Him. It's the angels that didn't and Adam and Eve who screwed things up, not God.
on Apr 19, 2008
If the angels and Adam and Eve screwed up...guess who created them?

If you know you are going to be disobeyed...if you know the end result will be disobedience, and pain and suffering and misery for your creation...why would you create your people, your beings, to suffer and fight against you? Why not get it right the first time?

If G/god knew this would be the end result (and H/he is supposedly omniscient, so how could he NOT), either he is an idiot or he is incredibly cruel. You pick.
on Apr 19, 2008

If the angels and Adam and Eve screwed up...guess who created them?

 

I went down this road with them once or twice, TW.  They will not admit that being First Cause bears any kind of responsibility.  Free Will is the tool they use to absolve God of responsibility while failing to recognize (or refusing to) where that free will came from.

on Apr 19, 2008

God created us for fellowship and communion. If we had no free will, we could not be fellowship to Him.

on Apr 19, 2008
God created us for fellowship and communion.


Basically what you're telling me is he was lonely and all those angels he created didn't do it for him?
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