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Published on April 10, 2008 By erathoniel In Religion

    Welcome to yet another political rant. People like 'em more than my other ones. Or maybe they get featured more. Dunno.

    I'm gonna touch a hot topic of religion and homosexuality. Yeah. Most people can click the red X or whatever at the top right or left of their browser now. You probably won't like what I have to say.

   I believe that homosexuality is wrong. God designed sex for totally different purposes than pure pleasure. Homosexuality is a perversion, though I do not believe that there is anything wrong with homosexual people, I do blieve that it is wrong, mind you. My policy on this matter is "Love the sinner and not the sin". You can ask me: "Where in the Bible do you get this?". I don't know the exact reference, but I'm pretty sure it's in Corinthians somewhere, and maybe other places. Basically, there are multiple reasons, medical and spiritual why God forbids homosexuality.

    I'm not gonna put any links on the subject, but there are multiple problems with these things, both secularly and religiously.


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on Apr 11, 2008

I think the Sacred Scriptures clearly condemn the practice of homosexuality, don't you?

The practice of homosexuality is to be condemned among members of a tribe that might go extinct when not enough children are produced.

I second that.

 

on Apr 11, 2008

I personally believe that homosexuality is bad between both genders. However, practically, it has more negative effects on men that have been scientificially noted.

on Apr 11, 2008

He didn't mention lesbians though so I assume he's bang up for that kind of action.


Cactoblasta,


Yes, God condemns lesbianism.

"...For their woman have changed the natural use for that use which is against nature. And in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, having burned in their lusts one towards another,
Romans 1:26-27.

Also all same-gender sex is condemned becasue it's fornication. Fornication is specifically mentioned in 3 of those passages.

I've always understood the word "homosexuality" includes both males and females.

on Apr 11, 2008
I personally believe that homosexuality is bad between both genders. However, practically, it has more negative effects on men that have been scientificially noted.


That's true and one reason why is becasue males are much more promiscuous than females. Long term monogamous relationships are rare for males. Even among 'married' homosexual males, the cheating ratio, given enough time, approaches 100%. Stats can be found on this in the NEw England Journal of Medicine.

To give an idea from a study reported in the 1993 Journal of the AMerican Medical Assoc., "homosexual men....reported a median of 1,160 lifetime sexual partners". In another, the median number of lifetime sexual partners of over 4,000 homosexual respondents was 49.5.

The results of the homosexual lifestyle are disease, death and unhappiness...but we seldom hear this in the media or in academia.



on Apr 11, 2008

The results of the homosexual lifestyle are disease, death and unhappiness...but we seldom hear this in the media or in academia.

It's because it's based on faulty data.

They are comparing homosexuals living outside the marriage society with heterosexuals living inside the marriage society.

If marriage was as common among homosexuals as it is among heterosexuals, promiscuity levels might or might not be the same.

We'll have to get new stats from, say, Denmark in ten or twenty years to find relevant data.


on Apr 11, 2008
To give an idea from a study reported in the 1993 Journal of the AMerican Medical Assoc., "homosexual men....reported a median of 1,160 lifetime sexual partners". In another, the median number of lifetime sexual partners of over 4,000 homosexual respondents was 49.5.


So I wonder what it really is? Is it 1,160 or just 49.5? Seems like quite a disparity in figures there.   
on Apr 11, 2008

He didn't mention lesbians though

ya he did.....

I would much rather see your explanation of the Scriptures. Which Scriptures? What do they mean to you? Your view is a pretty common Christian take on homosexuality. I would like to hear what brought you to the conclusions you've made. How do you justify/explain your beliefs?

TW is spot on here Erathoniel.  You should know what you believe and why.  You should be able to document this quite easily.  You should be able to articulate exactly why you believe the way you do using scripture as your guide. 

I absolutely agree with you on the subject matter but also think you're not very credible if you are just taking this on heresay or maybe parrotting other Christians with no foundation of your own. 

You really need to know scripture if you're going to speak on it with authority.  Otherwise how will you be able to answer the follow up questions?  Other than your initial statement you could be dead in the water debating a very articulate non-believer for lack of research on your part. 

You could open up the cover of your bible, list a few titles such as homosexuality, divorce, adultery, murder etc and put the scripture reference under it for quick reference.  You'll find that after just a few times, you'll for the most part remember where to find these scriptures without even looking at the cover. 

Some bibles already have a helpful concordance at the back to help also for most quoted scriptures on any particular topic. 

 

 

 

 

 

on Apr 11, 2008

The results of the homosexual lifestyle are disease, death and unhappiness...but we seldom hear this in the media or in academia.

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad when the anti-gay religious point to any dysfunctionality amongst homosexuals as proof that homosexuality is destructive. Completely ignoring the huge role they played in this. As though hundreds of years of being treated as a perversion of nature, an abomination before god still in some places being executed for just the suspicion of the practice could have nothing to do with the psychological problems they experience. Also pointing to the increase in STD's, again ignoring the fact that heterosexuals suffer only slightly less from the same diseases.

on Apr 11, 2008
Homosexuals are more likely to be lynched by a mob by .02%. Therefore, homosexuality is dangerous to one's well-being and shoudl not be practiced!
on Apr 11, 2008
Also pointing to the increase in STD's, again ignoring the fact that heterosexuals suffer only slightly less from the same diseases.


Speaking only of sexual transmission, could the reason be that many don't practice homosexual sex exclusively...they also practice bi-sexuality which explains one of the reasons the diseases, especially AIDS, is in the general population as well.

Also, sex with prostitutes is a factor in spreading dieseases amongst the general population as well.


It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad when the anti-gay religious point to any dysfunctionality amongst homosexuals as proof that homosexuality is destructive. Completely ignoring the huge role they played in this. As though hundreds of years of being treated as a perversion of nature, an abomination before god still in some places being executed for just the suspicion of the practice could have nothing to do with the psychological problems they experience.


Ah, no, Stubbyfinger. Giving those who voluntarily adopt unnatural sexual practices victimhood status isn't going to work here. No one but the participants themselves are to blame for the consequences of their sexual actions.



As though hundreds of years of being treated as a perversion of nature,


Yes and rightly so...homosexuality is a perversion of nature...the body parts don't fit.







on Apr 11, 2008

Basically, if God wanted us to be homosexual, he would've made only one gender.

on Apr 11, 2008

Speaking only of sexual transmission, could the reason be that many don't practice homosexual sex exclusively...they also practice bi-sexuality which explains one of the reasons the diseases, especially AIDS, is in the general population as well. Also, sex with prostitutes is a factor in spreading dieseases amongst the general population as well.

You can't just admit that promiscuity alone is the reason?

Ah, no, Stubbyfinger. Giving those who voluntarily adopt unnatural sexual practices victimhood status isn't going to work here. No one but the participants themselves are to blame for the consequences of their sexual actions.

The strongest desire in all humans is the desire to be loved and accepted. If you look at the personalities of gays you'll see behaviors like trying to entertain and to be the life of the party all suggest that love and acceptance are high on their list as well. I think people are incapable of choosing a behavior that they know would make them an outcast unless their desire for that behavior is so strong that they have no choice.  

That's the thing, no matter your opinion on whether or not they're making a choice, from their point of view they had no choice. No more choice than what taste good or their personality type. they simple succumbed to desires they could not control. How is that so much worse than when heterosexuals do it?

Basically, if God wanted us to be homosexual, he would've made only one gender.

If god didn't want homosexuals, razor sharp bones in the anus would have done the trick.

on Apr 11, 2008
That's the thing, no matter your opinion on whether or not they're making a choice, from their point of view they had no choice. No more choice than what taste good or their personality type. they simple succumbed to desires they could not control. How is that so much worse than when heterosexuals do it?


Well people say that about many things...."I had no choice, he made me so mad." We could be talking about many sins here. Anger, murder, lying, stealing etc.

You can't just admit that promiscuity alone is the reason?


I would agree and say it is. Sin is sin no matter the gender or two genders involved.



on Apr 11, 2008
If god didn't want homosexuals, razor sharp bones in the anus would have done the trick.


Well...I can't argue with that.

~Zoo
on Apr 11, 2008
Well...I can't argue with that


puh-leeeze!

You might as well say if God didn't want us to murder each other he wouldn't have given us hands and arms to do so. Because he did, we are allowed to do whatever we wish with our limbs....even if it means to hurt one another.

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