Ok, by this answer I understand better where you are coming from...

and this is where the distinction must be made...

The person with the homosexual inclination are persons, like you and me, with an inviolable dignity...I support them by love and prayer.

It's the homosexual activity, the homosexual conduct called "homosexuality"---look it up in the dictionary and you'll see homosexuality is not a state of being, but a sexual activity---that is condemned. Homosexuality can never be condoned as acceptable, respectable,or good. Homosexuality is an objectively disordered condition deserving full societal disapproval becasue it spreads disease and dysfunction.



You are misinformed. In saying this you have bought into the heart of "gay" sophisty. Redefining homosexuality as an identity (or as you say a state of being) and not a form of sexual behavior has been a major acheivement of the homosexual movement. Truth is homosexuality is a behavior and a changeable one at that as many homosexuals have left that sexual lifestyle.

Redefining homosexuality in this way allows homosexuals to define themselves as a civil rights minority compared to African Americans other ethnic groups whose minority status is based on truly immutable characteristics. The Supreme Court recognizes minority status onlly for groups which 1 have suffered a history of unjust discrimination, 2 are powerless to help themselves and 3 are defined by immutable characteristics, such as skin color; gender, etc.

So, the "gay' movement began to redefine homosexuality as a normal and immutable condition equivalent to heterosexuality, completely independent of behavior or conduct. It's not science, but a legal and political strategy. This allows the 'gay' movement to inherit and exploit all of the legal, political and social gains of the civil rights movement for its own ends.

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Really?

Is homosexuality compatible with full health?

Do you think deliberately infecting others with disease or HIV/ AIDS is not hurting anyone?

Is homosexuality compatible with social order?

Yes

This doesn't deserve a response.

Yes

It wasn't that long ago you couldn't be openly gay, admittedly and understandable they went a little crazy after they no longer had to hide,  Truth is now they're no more promiscuous than hetero's and more and more are in perfectly healthy long term relationships. I don't know what are you guys going to do when they develop an AID's vaccine.

Are we on the same planet?   

There is no getting around the fact that unsanitary sex leads to life but only that of a bacteriological nature. Problem is even if AIDS is eliminated, other new lethal microbes will and have already emerged and so-called 'safe sex' isn't going to help one iota.

Homosexuals travel all over the world to have sex. Their germs get taken to Europe, Africa, and Asia...and fresh pathogens come here.

There is, if nothing else a simple, practical, logical reason. Incompatibility. Check your pants.

That's as crude as I get in the blog. Probably because honestly, I don't read four pages of comments.

I know it's been stated here before, but I don't recall any responses.

No, your argument is that the fact that nobody would CHOOSE to be ostracized PROVES that homosexuals are born that way. My argument is that, no it doesn't.

I haven't been aroused by animals or young children either, stubby. That doesn't mean that people who ARE aroused by them are "born that way".

If your going to respond to my comments I would really appreciate you reading them twice. This putting words in mouth to a complete misreading is getting tiresome. I said homosexuality is not a choice, I never said for certain your born gay. It could very well be a trauma or some event at a very young age although no correlation has ever been shown it's still possible. However if there is some trauma that causes homosexuality it's still not a choice. If your sexually abused as a child there are almost always some psychological problems including a dysfunctional sex life, although it's been shown that it doesn't make you more likely to be gay. But in ether the trauma or it's consequences were choices made. For a choice to be made there has to be some control, you cannot make a choice about something that is out of your control. If your attracted to men you cannot will yourself to not be attracted to men anymore than you or I could will ourselves to not be attracted to women. There are no psychological treatments that have been shown to change sexual orientation. the various x-gay programs can do nothing but teach gays to resist and basically live a life of celibacy. They still have same sex attractions and even the ones that marry are not sexually attracted to their wives. Several psychological organization have condemned the practice because it has been shown to very harmful with suicide rates among participants skyrocketing. The various Christian organizations ignore this because they think there saving souls and maybe they are but I think it's appalling. There's a website here that's basically supported by gay Christians who have been through the ex-gay program that I urge you lulapilgrim and erathoniel to read it.

http://members.aol.com/exgaynomad/index.htm

So what you're saying is "homosexuality is wrong cuz of the bible, but I dunno where it says its wrong, I'm just doing what they tell me".  Do you really feel comfortable saying that?  I mean is it really that hard to read and find out for yourself waht it is you believe?  You know in some places in the bible like leviticus, slavery is allowed.  You should really be careful where and how you interpret things. 

I believe it is wrong. There are multiple reasons. I have a life and choose not to blog 24/7. Which means that I cannot provide evidence for everything. Search yourself. I also believe that the Biblical interpretation of slavery, by the way, is different from ours. I'll post on that later. The article I discuss it in will be on the year of Jubilee. Take a guess.

I think the scriptures written in the bible were written in a time when everyone was running around fornicating with each other, and it was fine because in most cases it was men using women for what they were meant for.  Fornication!  But we live in a day and age when sex is just simply sex, and homosexuality is NOT a vile and disgusting act.  I believe if two conesnting adults want to fornicate with each other whether its a man screwing a woman or a man screwing a man, its up to them.  No one in the world we live in today is going to heaven anyway, so you might as well have fun fornicating however, and with whomever you like in the meantime.  I say SCREW IT!

Global warming, terrorism, evolution and homosexuality are four subjects that if you write about and leave comments on your asking JU for a debate. Don't get all pissy when your expected to back up your claims on any of these subjects. Write about what you did last weekend or leave comments off if you want to just inform us of your thoughts.

I've got a question. We can argue on how homosexuality is not wrong. But how is it better than celibacy?

Let's throw that round the other way. Why is celibacy better than sex? In my experience celibacy tends to focus the mind on sex, so it's not exactly a productive avenue for future growth. You may as well accept that sex is a complicated need and let yourself meet it every once in a while, just like you might accept a complicated need for various other obsessions.

Or more simply - neither is better than the other and straight sex isn't any more noble than the other two. Each is practised between consenting adults, so really if it meets your needs and doesn't hurt anyone else, go for it.

But nobody gets STD's from celibacy, just as almost nobody gets STD's from monogamy (or other methods, but I'm against those too.).