Listen to Erathoniel ranting on and on in good ol' conservative Christian fashion.
I review Expelled, which I saw today.
Published on April 20, 2008 By erathoniel In Movies & TV & Books

    Expelled is a wonderful, moving movie experience. It's biased, sure, to the conservative, but there's still a good movie. It actually directly mirrors events in real life. You mention Intelligent Design, you get bashed. That's good, since it is a documentary. See it.


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on Apr 21, 2008
Watch it like an open mind like I watched An Inconvenient Truth. Heck, I was biased towards An Inconvenient Truth, but I found Global Warming just far too... trippy...
The aliens did it, man...


Heck, I'm an environmentalist. I won't deny it, I'm a green, eco-friendly, tree hugging environmentalist hippie. But ya know what? I came out of an inconvenient truth with the belief that while yes, global warming is real, and does concern me, Gore was out of touch in my opinion. I went in with an open mind, mine, and came out with the same.

on Apr 21, 2008
You've got a brain, your god gave it to you, then use it for gosh sake.


surely you're kidding? You're telling me to use my brain when you REFUSE to use your own?

Tell me, as a moral Christian, do you agree that those things are wrong? And yes, I can provide the links if you so need them.


I don't want the links of other sources. I want YOU to tell me...using your own brain why you don't like this movie. So far, you've said nothing but vague stuff like

stolen, lied, misrepresented, etc...


stolen what? Lied about what? Misrepresented what? Who are you listening to? You didn't watch the movie yourself so aren't you taking another's word for all this? Isn't this called NOT USING YOUR BRAIN?

Were they subjective?


well were your sources? So far you're telling me you're believing people who have not seen the movie by providing me with this vague links by people who are basically boycotting this movie....what are they afraid of? What are you afraid of?

And no I didnt get to see it, but I've talked with people I do know, who have seen it, and I have been able to get my hands on an outline of the movie.


exactly. And how is this using YOUR BRAIN? I'd like to know EXACTLY what did these "people" you talked with about this movie have to say?

I mean give me something. Don't give me some links by people you don't know who are just trying to push the leftist propaganda in NOT seeing this movie. Of course they don't want you to see it.

At least I gave you an honest review by someone I know who actually watched this movie. Does he have bias? Yes. We all do. Does he know personally things in this movie are in fact true? Yes. He personally knows Scientists who have lost their positions or have been denied being able to publish in the major scientific journals all because they believe in God. Why is that?

He told me there were no surprises for him in this movie. Everything presented he was already aware of.





on Apr 22, 2008

 

[quoteI don't want the links of other sources. I want YOU to tell me...using your own brain why you don't like this movie. So far, you've said nothing but vague stuff like[/quote]

I am, and like I said:

The stealing.

See: Here

And below:


Producers of the film have also run into legal trouble over their unlicensed use of John Lennon's song "Imagine", having failed to seek the permission of the copyright holder, John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono.[104][105] Premise Media responded by saying that they had only used 25 seconds of Imagine and this constituted fair use under American copyright law.[104] The Killers,[105] had licensed their song, but said they had been misled, with the request having said it would be used in a "satirical documentary" about "academic freedom in schools".[106]


http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/news/2008/US/301_expelled_producers_accused_of__4_9_2008.asp

 

Misrepresentation/Misinterpretation:

 

The movie has been criticized by several of the interviewees, including Myers and Dawkins,[72] Shermer[73] and National Center for Science Education head Eugenie Scott, who say they were misled into participating by being asked to be interviewed for a film named Crossroads on the "intersection of science and religion", with a blurb[74] which described the strong support that had been accumulated for evolution, and contrasted this with the religious who rejected it, and the controversy this caused[75][76][77]:

It has been the central question of humanity through the ages: How in the world did we get here? In 1859 Charles Darwin provided the answer in his landmark book, “The Origin of Species.” In the century and a half since, geologists, biologists, physicists, astronomers, and philosophers have contributed a vast amount of research and data in support of Darwin’s idea. And yet, millions of Christians, Muslims, Jews, and other people of faith believe in a literal interpretation that humans were crafted by the hand of God. The conflict between science and religion has unleashed passions in school board meetings, courtrooms, and town halls across America and beyond.

However, the movie was actually pitched to Stein as an anti-Darwin picture:

I was approached a couple of years ago by the producers, and they described to me the central issue of Expelled, which was about Darwinism and why it has such a lock on the academic establishment when the theory has so many holes. And why freedom of speech has been lost at so many colleges to the point where you can’t question even the slightest bit of Darwinism or your colleagues will spurn you, you’ll lose your job, and you’ll be publicly humiliated. As they sent me books and talked to me about these things I became more enthusiastic about participating.

Plus I was never a big fan of Darwinism because it played such a large part in the Nazis’ Final Solution to their so-called “Jewish problem” and was so clearly instrumental in their rationalizing of the Holocaust. So I was primed to want to do a project on how Darwinism relates to fascism and to outline the flaws in Darwinism generally.

World Magazine[79]

On learning of the pro-intelligent design stance of the real film, Myers said, "not telling one of the sides in a debate about what the subject might be and then leading him around randomly to various topics, with the intent of later editing it down to the parts that just make the points you want, is the video version of quote-mining and is fundamentally dishonest."[75] Dawkins said, "At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front", and Scott said, "I just expect people to be honest with me, and they weren't."[4]

Mathis called Myers, Dawkins and Scott a "bunch of hypocrites", and said that he "went over all of the questions with these folks before the interviews and I e-mailed the questions to many of them days in advance".[80][81] The film's proponents point out that Dawkins participated in the BBC Horizon documentary A War on Science, whose producers, they allege, presented themselves to the Discovery Institute as objective filmmakers and then portrayed the organization as religiously-motivated and anti-scientific.[80][82][83]

Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association wrote a letter to the editor of the New York Times, complaining about the deception. Speckhardt wrote, "If one needs to believe in a god to be moral, why are we seeing yet another case of dishonesty by the devout? Why were leading scientists deceived as to the intentions of a religious group of filmmakers?"[84]

 

Also, if it was to do as it says, it failed to be balanced, and include Theistic evolution. See:


Expelled has been criticized for not interviewing people who accept both theism and the theory of evolution. When the editorial staff of Scientific American asked Mathis why they did not include anybody like devout Catholic and prominent biologist Kenneth R. Miller in the movie, Mathis stated that his inclusion "would have confused the film unnecessarily" and went on to question Miller's intellectual honesty and orthodoxy as a Catholic because he accepts evolution.[88] Expelled is often criticized for setting up a false dichotomy between evolution and religion.

In a review of the film, the Waco Tribune-Herald described its "failure to cover how Christian evolutionists reconcile faith and science" as "perhaps the film’s most glaring and telling omission", and that the film rather "quickly dismissed [them] by a chain of quotes that brand them as liberal Christians and duped by militant atheists in their efforts to get religion out of the classroom."[89]

Defending the movie, the producer, Walt Ruloff, said that scientists like prominent geneticist Francis Collins keep their religion and science separate only because they are "toeing the party line". Collins, who was not asked to be interviewed for the film in any of its incarnations, said that Ruloff's claims were "ludicrous".[4]

 


The lie (concerning Dawin/Nazism)

 

n support of his claim that the theory of evolution inspired Nazism, Ben Stein quotes Charles Darwin's book The Descent of Man as the following:[85]

With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

He stops there, then names Darwin as the author in a way that suggests that Darwin provided a rationale for the activities of the Nazis. This selective quotation is an example of quote mining. The original paragraph (page 168) is different (words that Stein omitted shown in italics) and the very next sentences in the book falsify Stein's argument:[86][85]

With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.[87]

The same misleading selective quotation from this passage was used by anti-evolutionist William Jennings Bryan in the 1925 Scopes Trial but the full passage makes it clear that Darwin was not advocating eugenics. The eugenics movement relied on simplistic and faulty assumptions about heredity, and by the 1920s evolutionary biologists were criticizing eugenics. Clarence Darrow who defended the teaching of human evolution in the Scopes trial wrote a scathing repudiation of eugenics.[45]


I will admit, that there is a concern over academic freedom. However, there's a difference in something being taught as philosphy, religion, and science.

I'm not saying that to point out what they did was wrong, but how they did it, i.e. their "evidence," was nothing more than bull hokey.

As an aspiring fimmaker/documentary maker, I'm sickened by this. This isn't a documentary, it's propaganda.

 

Were they subjective?



well were your sources? So far you're telling me you're believing people who have not seen the movie by providing me with this vague links by people who are basically boycotting this movie....what are they afraid of? What are you afraid of?

My  bad, meant objective, not subjective. And my sources are stating what is truth, and others are verifying it.

I'm not afraid of anything, I want the truth, honesty, integrity, and they (the people of Expelled) have failed on it.

See: http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/the-truth

 

Also, some dishonesty with cancellation notices (which if you google it, it isn't just something from a single site).  

 

http://stacymalbon.newsvine.com/_news/2008/04/06/1414511-more-dishonesty-surrounding-expelled-movie-false-cancellation-notices-for-certain-viewers

 

 

 

on Apr 29, 2008
Plus I was never a big fan of Darwinism because it played such a large part in the Nazis’ Final Solution to their so-called “Jewish problem” and was so clearly instrumental in their rationalizing of the Holocaust


This is so circumstancial. I could just as easily say Christianity played a part in exterminating the jews, as in that they were not Christians as God intended. Plus, wasn't hitler obsessed with teuton knights?
on Apr 29, 2008

Actually, Expelled is a documentary on intellectual freedom (or lack thereof) in schools.

cscoles, capitalize "Jews".

Second, Christianity isn't really extermination of the Jews. Some of us (though not myself) consider ourselves "Messianic Jews", which is an wonderfully vague title, because it really doesn't mention Christ, but it still provides the point.

on Apr 29, 2008
cscoles, capitalize "Jews".


sure, right after I capitalize hitler
on Apr 29, 2008

So, cscoles, you just compared Jews to Hitler.

It's a proper noun, if nothing else.

on Apr 29, 2008
So, cscoles, you just compared Jews to Hitler.
It's a proper noun, if nothing else.


Huh? *tries to wrap that around his brain but fails* How does...? *shakes head* Nevermind.
on Apr 30, 2008
sure, right after I capitalize hitler


The point is that I forget to capitalize words sometimes. Meh. Why would I start bothering? To please someone who holds certain nouns in high regard? Well, I do not have a particular affection for either jews or hitler, and if I forget to capitalize one, I will not bother to fix it unless I'm feeling anal.

Jews are a group of people in our society who help each other out. But they do not help me out. They are not directly opposed to me, but I do not respect them in any substancial degree. Hitler was a a megalomaniac who snorted coke, ruined the world's economy, and killed a lot of Poles, gypsies, homosexuals, jews, and soviets. I do not respect him either.
on Apr 30, 2008

Why not respect everyone? The Jews are, after all, God's chosen people.

on Apr 30, 2008
The Jews are, after all, God's chosen people.


Wrong. I do not remember choosing anyone. I think they chose themselves, and that is cheating. But, now, because you have upset me, I choose the Norwegians.
on Apr 30, 2008
Wrong. I do not remember choosing anyone. I think they chose themselves, and that is cheating. But, now, because you have upset me, I choose the Norwegians.


on Apr 30, 2008

cscoles, if you are God, mail me a PS3, 360, custom gaming rig (see my article), and then I'll believe you. No, I will not tell you my address. Heck, send it to where I plan on going in the summer.

God chose the Israelites, modern day Jews, to be the people through whom the word of salvation was spread.

on Apr 30, 2008
cscoles, if you are God, mail me a PS3, 360, custom gaming rig (see my article), and then I'll believe you.


How dare you demand proof of our divine creator! Is your faith so weak that you do not trust His word?

Beg his forgiveness!

~Zoo
on Apr 30, 2008
cscoles, if you are God, mail me a PS3, 360, custom gaming rig (see my article), and then I'll believe you.


And you were rebuking me so for asking Zoo-god for a pony.

For shame!
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