Zoo makes several valid points. Crying is very annoying, perhaps even evil. And as for crapping, need I really go into it?

I believe that abortion is killing a baby...

Is that belief objective? Yes.
Is that belief provable? Yes.





Let's examine this statement in light of the abortion issue.



OCK, it can't be both ways...either the killing of a baby by abortion is morally right or morally wrong.

I think a big difference between Christians and others, are that nearly all Christians deal in absolutes, while the others don't. They (christians) fail to understand differing opinions because they're so indoctrinated in their faith. They can't understand anything else, they always have to apply their faith to it.

Get what i mean?

Yes. I know. Blind faith is a serious detriment to reason.

Not necessarily blind faith, but they just...are so submerged in their faith, they have such a different spyglass so to speak, that they see things through.

oops, adding the rest

"...that is starkly contrast to science. I think it's why science and faith are always at each other. It's hard for either side to completely grasp each other."

And for some reason can't seem to switch to another.

Sad, really...to see the world so one dimensionally.

~Zoo

My answer is no, we are not born evil and here's why.

Yes, sin is evil, but there are two kinds of sin. Original sin (which we are born with)isn't evil and Actual sin, that is, the sin we actually knowingly, willingly commit in our lives.



All babies are born with original sin (which is the deprivation of original justice that Adam and Eve had but lost) and its effects. Original sin is not an evil.

As far as actual sin, babies are sinless until they grow to the age of reason and are able to knowingly and willingly commit actual sin.

It is, it really is. And it isnt just them, there are others too. I just happen to see that more often.

Woah, talk about deja vu.

SilentPoet,

Put what you have said here in terms of the abortion issue and please explain how I as a Catholic Christian fail to understand differing opinions?

Just answer this question....Is it an absolute that abortion kills the child in the womb?

So true, seeing the world only through secular and atheistic humanism is very one dimensional too, Zoo!

You don't believe in absolutes? I hope you head outside every day tethered to the ground because gravity is not an "absolute". I hope you plan for a sudden outage of the sun because its rising and setting is not an "absolute".

EVERYONE deals in absolutes, Silent Poet. Some are just more honest about it than others.

You want to disbelieve the Bible because you want to rationalize your lifestyle. And that is your choice to make and you should have the freedom to make it. But your wanting God to be any different than He actually is, will not for one second, make Him so.

I would encourage you to seriously explore the claims of scripture rather than mocking them. You'll find a surprisingly large number of absolutes contained within them.

Why? I'm not discussing abortion, I'm talking about over all with Christians. Specificlly with the bible.

The Bible says we do, too, not just you.

We are new creations. We are not like we were before accepting Jesus Christ. We can't go back to seeing things in the way you do, where things are true for one person and not for another. It's true for everyone, which means a lot of you are going to hell. Not because I said so, or because you didn't live right, but because you haven't accepted the sacrifice of Jesus.