Listen to Erathoniel ranting on and on in good ol' conservative Christian fashion.
Wonder what evil is?
Published on April 24, 2008 By erathoniel In Religion

Evil is any time man walks away from God, the Creator. This is anything from murder to "trivial" sins, such as gossip, or breaking the sabbath.

Man is born evil, and has no hope of salvation without Jesus Christ. The payment for accepting Christ is that we are allowed into heaven with God, and the evil in us is taken away by judgement. Then those who follow Jesus are allowed into Heaven, and given wonderful perfect life in a wonderful perfect world as the Earth was originally intended to be.

Evil is inherent in everything.


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on Apr 28, 2008
Until then, Lula and others, please continue to prove me right. I knew you wouldn't let me down.


and that's what's important isn't it?   

on Apr 28, 2008

and that's what's important isn't it?

 

Hardly important at all except for the sadness of the truth of it.

on Apr 28, 2008
Hardly important at all except for the sadness of the truth of it.


oooooooohhhhhh but that's ok......because you're not a proponent of truth.....  
on Apr 28, 2008

Yeah, define truth for me, Ock, that's something I never got the secular standpoint of.

on Apr 28, 2008
Yeah, define truth for me, Ock, that's something I never got the secular standpoint of.


If what I believe leads me to correctly predict the workings of reality and continues to do so, then with each correct prediction I come closer to knowing a truth. This is the scientific standpoint. Mathematicians believe that the entire world can be broken down and explained in quantifiable terms. Thus, ultimate truth comes from accounting for every single variable in the universe and formulating everything that will happen. Philosophers believe that the truth can be reached through reasoning.

Contradicting these paths, theologians think truth comes from correctly interpreting a book.
on Apr 28, 2008
"Evil is not working together to make the world a better place."


I never said that statement. Evil is disobedience to God. That's what evil is to a Christian. Working together to make the world a better place might be the will of God, and then it would be a sin to NOT do so.
on Apr 28, 2008

Lula posts: #57
doesn't applying the reality of abortion work rather well in addressing OCKHAMSRAZOR's questions?



OCK POSTS: #58
It exactly proves my point, Lula. Thanks.


OCK POSTS: #90
Despite Lulas attempt to hyperfocus on abortion in order to discredit a general point


OCK,

You're trying to have it both ways...again.

Of my using the example of the evil of abortion, you thank me for exactly proving your point and then, when you realize there is no wiggle room concerning the absolute objective truth that abortion is evil and therefore wrong, you now say I'm using abortion to discredit your point.


OCK POSTS:

what IS right and what IS wrong (absolutism based on unproveable premises)


OCK POSTS #58
No belief is objectively provable.


Is abortion killing a baby? Yes.
Is that belief objective? Yes.
Is that belief provable? Yes.

Is killing a baby in the womb an intolerable evil act? Yes.

OCK POSTS #58
No belief is objectively provable, so Christians support not working together over principles they cannot prove objectively to non-Christians to be true.


Therefore, abortion is objectively, provable evil.

Evil is not working together to make the world a better place


OCK POSTS: #46

I rather agree with this. But it's got a few potholes. If you claim sole knowledge of the definition of what makes the world a better place, you do so at the expense of others who think *they* know what makes the world a better place. And that isn't "working together." So what is the missing element? Tolerance of differences.



Evil is tolerating the intolerable. Those who believe in God's absolute, "thou shalt not kill" will not tolerate the intolerable.


on Apr 28, 2008
Good point. I think we should start by taking you out.
I should have suspected this from the mormon.


<---not Mormon, NOR elderly. I was just making a rather salient point.
on Apr 28, 2008
I admit to stockpiling food stores because of how I was raised. Had I been raised in any other faith with the same ethic, I'm sure it would have stayed with me. Yeesh, talk about stretching it!

My point was that even though I already stockpile food, I'm hardly unique in that area!
on Apr 28, 2008

Lula, if you're at all interested in discussing the point that I WAS making, then take a subject that's a little broader - like "Jesus is the Son of One God that created everything."


Christianity is the only religion which claims not only that God revealed something of Himself to mankind, including a partial account of Creation according to Genesis, but that He also entered into the world (God Incarnate) as a human being in the Person of Jesus CHrist. and then allowed Himself to be humiliated, suffer and be put to death, all out of love for His estranged subjects in order to satisfy the infinite justice of GOd who was offended by Original Sin. Only God could have made the reparation that has an infinite value but only as man could He have suffered, since in His divine nature He is implacable that is, He's incapable of undergoing change, e.g. suffering.

The concept of Special Creation reinforces the Christian view that objective truth does exist, and each human being has been given a specific nature i.e. one made in the image and likeness of God. Just as the laws of nature clearly have objective existence, objective truth can be shown to exist such as 2 + 2 can never equal other than 4.

The idea that man may create his own truth by exercising his free will is fallacious. Rather, truth exists outside of man and has to be discovered. In the experiences of life through which each individual passes, we can observe that there are moral absolutes which exist(abortion is evil is one). A set of objective truths is therefore essential to enable human beings to discern truth and realities.




on Apr 28, 2008
This article is now about bunnies with pancakes on their head.





~Zoo
on Apr 29, 2008

You're trying to have it both ways...again.

Of my using the example of the evil of abortion, you thank me for exactly proving your point and then, when you realize there is no wiggle room concerning the absolute objective truth that abortion is evil and therefore wrong, you now say I'm using abortion to discredit your point.

 

I'm not trying to have anything, actually.  You don't know my own personal stance on abortion, though you seem to assume you do.  I never argued one way or another about whether or not abortion is killing a baby.  Some people don't think it's a baby at a certain point in its development.  I won't judge that - I'll just recognize that some group of people hold to that belief.  That's all that is required to know for what I am trying to point out.

 

When I said that you were proving my point, I was referring to the fact that you are 100% intolerant of any idea that doesn't line up with your own.  Belief in God - ANY God or Gods - is NOT objective - if it was, then faith would not be required.  Maybe you just don't understand what "objective" means.  Here's some help.  These are the parts of the definition from dictionary.com of "objective" as an adjective (which is how I am using it.)

 

4. being the object or goal of one's efforts or actions.
5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
6. intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.
7. being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective).
8. of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality.

 

It is "evil," in my opinion, to try in any manner to enforce on others any belief you hold that stems from a belief in a subjective doctrine.  But that's what you want, isn't it?  You want everyone to agree that your belief is THE belief so that the world will behave in the way that YOU think it should behave.  Lemme tell ya - that isn't worshipping God.  That's playing God.

on Apr 29, 2008


This article is now about bunnies with pancakes on their head.~Zoo

Zoo, you're lucky those bunnies are too cute to delete. Darn my lolcat addiction.

Second, Ock, I'm not trying to enforce my belief system's ultimate righter-than-youness, I am simply debating my point.

on May 01, 2008
It is "evil," in my opinion, to try in any manner to enforce on others any belief you hold that stems from a belief in a subjective doctrine.


Wow! You must really come down hard on those who push Islam then.





on May 01, 2008
Wow! You must really come down hard on those who push Islam then.


Islam in other parts of the world does a far better job of being insane than Christianity does here. I would not even be arguing with you if I lived in Iran. God bless this free country.
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